Excellent (Video) Report on the Destruction in Gaza
Published February 17, 2009 @ 07:21PM PT
This video left me gasping for breath.
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the embedding is disabled, but it is trully an excellent vid, you should all watch this at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nYof-8_uWg
Posted by Iro K on 02/18/2009 @ 01:19PM PT
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Charles, a truly tragic story resulting from an error. This error would not have happened if not for the continuous attacks of Hamas on Israel.
When will you show a similar video about the tragic suffering in Israel that preempted this war?
Posted by Michael Ross on 02/18/2009 @ 05:45PM PT
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Yes Michael, it is a truly tragic story resulting from an error... the error that Israelis and supporters of the Nazi policies of Israel keep making in the Middle East, bombing, killing and maiming innocent people and destroying their homes while putting the blame on imaginary Hamas attackers, who... according to the Israelis... always happen to be nearby. But the very low number of Israeli casualties compared to the very high indiscriminate Palestinian death toll in Gaza clearly shows the cruel Israeli lie and the lack of Israeli interest in a just peace with the Palestinians.
Posted by francisco Martin on 02/20/2009 @ 08:23PM PT
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it's funny how your media and all the info you get says that the only embargo and isolation is for weapons and how the rest of the world (and i mean all the other countries) actually hear the story differently - that the embargo is on all supplies, that the palestinians don't have clean water, that they do not have medical supplies etc....
i wonder who is wrong between the two...
Posted by Iro K on 02/21/2009 @ 08:29AM PT
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Who destroyed Lebanon?
Which country is next? See the answer in this speech by Mrs. Briggitte Gabriel who survived a "pogrom" of Lebanese Christians in South Lebanon in the late seventies by the Palestinians. This information puts the Gaza situation in better perspective:
http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Lehrman-092706a.wvx
Brigitte Gabriel is a Christian Lebanese whose web site is "American Congress for Truth". http://www.americancongressfortruth.org/
I don't think that Palestinians should get the state unless they comoletely denounce tarrorism and destruction of Israel, stop teaching hate of Israel and West to their children, and then at least for 5 years they refrain from antisemitic demonstrations and slander. Only than should they be listened to and negotiated with.... They had destroyed Lebanon when Jordan kicked out PLO in 1970, and if given a chance they will attempt to do the same to Israel. Gaza situation is the best example that Palestinians cannot be trusted to want peace...
Posted by Vlasta Molak on 02/18/2009 @ 08:54PM PT
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the video has nothing to do with lebanon.. try to focus into the subject in hand instead of just preaching your cause.
Posted by Iro K on 02/19/2009 @ 07:27AM PT
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Vlasta, you pretend to make us believe that the Palestinian victims are the destroyers and attackers of innocent Israelis, who have voted for extreme right wing parties and politicians like Mr Lieberman (an outspoken racist who has called for the use of atomic weapons against Gazans). But despite what you and others like you are saying in a blind defence of Israel, the truth is that it is Not Israel that is being destroyed ... but Gaza and the Palestinian people and territories... And Israel should not only denounce state terrorism, but also STOP terrorising and bombing Palestinians indiscriminately. Unlike you, anyone with a sense of reality and compassion is much more likely to say that the historical and continuing Israeli aggression against Gaza and the Palestinian people is a very good reason not to trust Israeli intentions in the Middle East.
Posted by francisco Martin on 02/20/2009 @ 09:03PM PT
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There is no symetry here. Hamas is a terrorist organization, which has in its charter as a goal DESTRUCTION of Israel and killing of Jews world-wide. The "spiritual" leaders of Palestinians keep calling for destruction of Israel in their daily preachings, working the masses into anti-semitic frenzy. If they said such wile things about ANY nations, religion, race or anybody (they would be condemned in the WEST_. For example they call Jews dogs and monkerys who need to be killed...Try calling a black person those names, or threaten any other ethnic or religious group with extermination! However, those leaders of Palestinians in Gaza keep their murderous speeches and teaching children that the highest honor is to die as a suicide bomber.
That is in addition to ~8000 ROCKETS LAUNCHED by Hamas and Hetzbollah in the last few years on Israeli cities and all the suicide/homicide bombers, BEFORE Israel could not take it any more and the people of Israel wanted rockets to stop falling on their heads...not to retaliate against ordinaty people but to neutrilize the terrorists...
Hamas has killed more Palestinians than Israel ever did. Check the Amnersty Internationl report: According to the Report by the Amnesty International of February 10, 2009, Hamas’ has been conducting a deadly campaign in the shadow of the war in Gaza against civilians in Gaza. Since the end of December 2008, during and after the Israeli military offensive, which presumably killed some 1,300 Palestinians, most of them presumably civilians, Hamas forces and militias in the Gaza Strip have engaged in a campaign of abductions, deliberate and unlawful killings, torture and death threats against those they accuse of “collaborating” with Israel, as well as opponents and critics:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE21/001/2009/en/9f210586-f762-11dd-8fd7-f57af21896e1/mde210012009en.html
Posted by Vlasta Molak on 02/22/2009 @ 06:16PM PT
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A simple question to those who excuse the Israeli attack on Gaza with the loss of life in excess of one thousand civilians, including more than 400 children, whose bodies were found in scattered pieces, burned, crushed under buildings and the injured ones with loss of arms, legs, eyes and severely burned.
Q. If you live in Gaza and you are not permitted to leave the walled in territory, you and your family are near starvation because an Israeli embargo prevents food from entering, your wife or child is dying from a treatable disease, but there are no medicines due to the Israeli embargo, you and your family must drink contaminated water since fuel supplies for the water processing plant have been stopped, and ultimately you see no end to the despair surrounding you. Will you feel compelled to act in response against those who are responsible?
Posted by James Appleton on 02/19/2009 @ 09:49PM PT
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1. Your question is based on false information and lies about the number of civilians and children killed, and the cause of their death. Which was due to Hamas using human shields, in violation of all international laws.
2. Israel is allowing food, water and gas to enter, only weapons are stopped, it is Hamas that is stealing the UN supplies.
3. The Blockage is a result of terrorists coming out of Gaza to kill Israelis and is only designed to stop more weapons from entering Gaza, and not the opposite, you are switching cause and effect, the terror came first then the blockage of weapons into Gaza.
Posted by Michael Ross on 02/21/2009 @ 07:32AM PT
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Michael, You are the one spreading lies, as your seemingly infallible statements clearly show... ¨which was due to Hamas using human shields¨... you talk as if you were there, and if so, how come you did not see the hundreds of bodies of dead children burnt with white phosphorus? You do have a nerve to say that Hamas actions violate international law, when the ¨democratic¨ Israel you defend, has ignored and failed to respect dozens of important international United Nations resolutions.
Everyone knows by now the Israeli ¨Hamas human shield LIE¨, as well as the Israeli ¨Hamas BAD, Israel GOOD LIE¨. Please be serious! Some of us have friends and family members there and know what is going on. Even the United Nations personnel are quite aware of commonly known Israeli lies, which YOU and the Israeli propaganda machinery keep using unashamedly, hoping to dupe the many ignorant people, still out there, who are willing to believe them.
Sorry, but you and those like you spreading blatant Israeli lies and propaganda have zero credibility; the same the new Israeli government will have headed by Netanyahu, who was labelled a liar even by US mediators.
While everyone has one story to tell, you and the Israelis are asking the world to place their blind faith on people like you who, if not through utter ignorance, are more than willing to distort the truth to gain whatever international media or public opinion advantage you can, at the cost of all credibility.
We sometimes hear of people who deny the Jewish Holocaust, but is that any different than you denying the FACT that 410 children were murdered by Israeli weapons and bombs in Gaza recently? Also, would a smaller number of victims justify in any way the Israeli massacre of innocent civilians in Gaza?Why do you pretend to deny that there is an inhuman blockade being perpetrated against Gaza?... Is it not perhaps because if people found out about Israeli injustices Israeli policies would be widely questioned and there would be a significant loss of US support for Israel... the key to its supremacy in the region?
Whatever you say or think about Hamas, they have repeatedly stated that when Israel recognises their right to exist as human beings and stops humiliating and starving them, there would be no more rockets. And ONLY when Israel attempts this and tries seriously to make peace with the Palestinians on an equal basis, will there be peace and sympathy for Israel around the world.
Posted by francisco Martin on 02/21/2009 @ 05:29PM PT
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That's just not true. Israel is openly maintaining a blockade. I don't understand why anyone would argue otherwise, when any quick perusal of the Israeli press reveals government spokespeople openly discussing it.
As part of it's blockade policy, Israeli allows a trickle of humanitarian aid in. This is done to prevent the mass starvation of Gazas, which would provoke a reaction harmful to Israel. But it keeps a hand on the throttle of food, medical supplies, exports and imports.
It not as if there is a border regimen in which goods travel back and force with some kind of filter to prevent arms and wanted terrorists from passing through. Israel is maintaining a regimen in which NOTHING is allowed through unless it serves Israel to allow it.
Ross showcass how an opening of the throttle is being done to serve Israeli interests: look at us, we allowed a few truckloads of UN food in, so it must be false that we seek to harm Gazan civilians. Left unspoken are the truckloads of that very same humanitarian aid left in the port of Ashdod because Israel will not allow it in, or the trucks of export goods that Gaza used to be able to send abroad or to Israeli markets.
Posted by Charles Lenchner on 02/21/2009 @ 08:35AM PT
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The border to the south with Egypt is not under Israeli control, why are you not asking the Egyptians to supply Gaza, this was their territory for many years.
Gaza is not attacking Egypt, only Israel, the actions Israel is taking are only in self defense.
No other country in the world would take any humanitarian actions what so ever to a neighbor that has fired over 8,000 rockets at it, kidnapped and still holds captive one of its soldiers, and still continuing to do so.
Posted by Michael Ross on 02/21/2009 @ 08:53AM PT
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and again you manage to avoid the subject in hand..
nicely done..
Posted by Iro K on 02/21/2009 @ 09:03AM PT
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The border between Gaza nd Egypt IS UNDER ISRAELI control. The Rafah crossing is subject to agreements between Israel and Egypt. Egypt could choose to undo those unilaterally, but that would represent a severe breach and would likely result in US sanctions against Egypt - which is quite dependent on $billions of US aid money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing
Again, this idea that Egypt is just being mean, and goods can simply flow from Egypt is false. If Israel had any interest in shifting the focus of Gaza's relationship to the world from Israeli territory to Egyptian territory, it could do so instantly.
What's odd is - even Israeli official propaganda doesn't ask for Egypt to open up the border with Gaza. On the contrary, Israeli consistently demands of Egypt to take more action against the tunnel openings under its control.
Posted by Charles Lenchner on 02/21/2009 @ 09:10AM PT
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There is a reason Egypt did NOT WANT Gaza back, when Sinai was returned to them (filled with oil fields) as a part of Peace Agreement with Israel! Why do you think that IS? From all the information I have, Palestinians of Gaza were nothing but a headache to Egyptian government, because it was the prime site for recruitment of Muslim Brotherhood terrorists, who want to establish a sharia ruled government (10th century advances in legal issues that nobody who is accustomed to Western Law would ever want to see here). Egypt had killed more of those guys than Israel had ever killed...Unlike Israel, Arab governments are not scrutinized when they killed 10=20-30,000 of their own people who opposed them, at a time, since it is usually kept secret and considered "internal affairs".
Egypt and Jordan were begging Hamas to stop shooting rockets on Israeli civilians, warning them that Israel is losing patience...so Hamas continued so that they can get heart-wrenching pictures of "Israeli destruction" during the last Gaza operation by Israel to get rid of those who have been attacking Israel for years, both by rockets and by sending suicide/homicide bombers, until the wall was built and crossings controlled. Before year 2000, many Gazans worked in Israel...that is when their income per person was much higher than now, since 75% of adults are unemployed and on the dole of UN: a great prescription for making babies (50% of population are children under 14) with not much prospect in life...
Posted by Vlasta Molak on 02/22/2009 @ 06:46PM PT
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israel did nothing to provoke this violence????
let me quote Mr Appleton on this one:
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Q. If you live in Gaza and you are not permitted to leave the walled in territory, you and your family are near starvation because an Israeli embargo prevents food from entering, your wife or child is dying from a treatable disease, but there are no medicines due to the Israeli embargo, you and your family must drink contaminated water since fuel supplies for the water processing plant have been stopped, and ultimately you see no end to the despair surrounding you. Will you feel compelled to act in response against those who are responsible?"
reason enough for you?
Posted by Iro K on 02/21/2009 @ 09:20AM PT
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If Israel were to leave the border with Egypt to Egypt the weapons going into Gaza would be tenfold of what they are now, this is a defensive measure only.
If Gaza wanted to live in peace with Israel the door is always open, that is the reason Israel left Gaza, why else would Israel leave, this was a calculated risk that turned bad, due to Hamas taking control of Gaza.
Posted by Michael Ross on 02/21/2009 @ 09:23AM PT
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Yeah, Charles, show Michael how out of the 9 Israelis that died 3 were killed in friendly fire.
The Palestinians didn't know who they were voting for; here was a party that said they'd give people their land back, and here was another party that was known for its corruption. You cannot hold the Gazans responsible for Hamas' actions, unless you'd like to account all of the Americans for what is happening in Iraq as well.
Besides, the Palestinians would never have voted for Hamas if Israel didn't help create it as a substitute for the PLO.
Israel did nothing to provoke this Gazan violence... The tension between the Palestinians and the southern Israelis is very parallel to Southern Americans and Africans in the 1800s. The Israelis feel superior to the Palestinians, and they openly express that by oppressing the Palestinians. Israel spends 1.30 on an Israeli in the West Bank, whereas only .80 on Palestinian. Next thing you know there'll be a 3/5 clause to eliminate the growing Palestinian problem in the West Bank during elections.
Posted by Dina Yazdani on 02/21/2009 @ 09:30AM PT
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Also, the video's been disabled or something, what was the link/name?
Posted by Dina Yazdani on 02/21/2009 @ 09:34AM PT
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check my first comment under the article, the url is there
Posted by Iro K on 02/21/2009 @ 09:49AM PT
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Thanks
Posted by Dina Yazdani on 02/21/2009 @ 10:19AM PT
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Obviously, why else would Israel go back to Gaza, do you have another reason, seriously?
If Israel wanted to kill the people of Gaza, they would all be dead, (they couldstop the water and food for example if they wanted to harm the Gazans) so what other reason besides defensive could their be?
Time to use that brain of yours Iro and not only the heart, what logical reason would a democratic state like Israel have to attack Gaza, except to stop the rocket attacks, think about it. Israel forces were their for years, then they left, why leave if you want to eliminate them it makes no sense.
Israel just wants to live in peace and help its neighbours prosper, that's why it left all those strawberry fields for them.
Posted by Michael Ross on 02/21/2009 @ 12:17PM PT
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ok fine.. just explain to me how killing over 400 kids is defense. tell me how gathering palestinians in a building only to bomb it later and kill everyone is defense. tell me how those actions are considered defense.
Posted by Iro K on 02/21/2009 @ 12:30PM PT
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Iro, you are creating an opinion based on false information. According to the latest IDF investigation only 300 non-combatants were killed and a very small portion of those were children.
Israel treats every year thousands of Palestinian children in its hospitals. It is the policy of Israel to save lifes not destroy them. If a few children were harmed during the fighting it was a very sad accident, an exception to the rule.
Posted by Michael Ross on 02/22/2009 @ 01:14PM PT
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From Haaretz, a reliable Israeli newspaper:
"Again children. Five children killed in Gaza in eight days. The public indifference to their killing - the last three, for example, were accorded only a short item on the margins of page 11 in Yedioth Ahronoth, a sickening matter in itself - cannot blur the fact that the IDF is waging a war against children. A year ago, a fifth of those killed in the "Summer Rain" operation in Gaza were children; during the past two weeks, they comprised a quarter of the 21 killed. If, heaven forbid, children are hurt in Sderot, we will have to remember this before we begin raising hell. "
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/899694.html
Posted by James Appleton on 02/21/2009 @ 05:22PM PT
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Once You See What Truly Happened in Gaza, It Will Change You Forever
By Medea Benjamin (a Jewish mother), AlterNet. Posted February 19, 2009.
"To get a sense of the devastation, check out a slide show circulating on the internet called Gaza: Massacre of Children (www.aztlan.net/gaza/gaza_massacre_of_children.php). It should be required viewing for all who supported this invasion of Gaza. Babies charred like shish-kebabs. Limbs chopped off. Features melted from white phosphorus. Faces crying out in pain, gripped by fear, overcome by grief.
Anyone who can view the slides and still repeat the mantra that "Israel has the right to self-defense" or "Hamas brought this upon its own people," or worse yet, "the Israeli military didn't go far enough," does a horrible disservice not only to the Palestinian people, but to humanity. "
"Of the 1,330 Palestinians killed by the Israeli military during the 22-day invasion of Gaza, 437 were children. Let me repeat that: 437 children -- each as beautiful and precious as our own. "
http://www.alternet.org/audits/127675/once_you_see_what_truly_happened_in_gaza%2C_it_will_change_you_forever/
Posted by James Appleton on 02/22/2009 @ 11:24PM PT
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Thank you, James. It boggles my mind that there are those who deny those numbers.
Posted by S B on 03/01/2009 @ 04:58PM PT
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Amnesty International is probably the most objective in evaluating situation in Gaza. It appears that Hamas had cleverly used the Israeli operation in Gaza to do their own "house cleaning" by killing their opponents (those Palestinians who want peace with Israel), and blaming it on Israel...see for yourself the report below. Very clever ploy, just as that photo-montage of a girl head buried in the rubble, which caused peace makers like Medea Benjamin to love her heart and become totally uncritical of Hamas propaganda machinery.
This is February 10, 2009 report on Gaza. By Amnesty International
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE21/001/2009/en/9f210586-f762-11dd-8fd7-f57af21896e1/mde210012009en.html
10 February 2009
Palestinian Authority: Hamas’ deadly campaign in the shadow of the war in Gaza. Since the end of December 2008, during and after the Israeli military offensive which killed some 1,300 Palestinians, most of them civilians, Hamas forces and militias in the Gaza Strip have engaged in a campaign of abductions, deliberate and unlawful killings, torture and death threats against those they accuse of “collaborating” with Israel, as well as opponents and critics.
Posted by Vlasta Molak on 03/01/2009 @ 05:35PM PT
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Noam Chomsky, an American-Jewish author-critic speaks out about the complicity of the U.S. in the Israeli attack on Gaza and the clear intent to target civilians, including children.
http://web.mit.edu/cis/starr.html
"It made sense to turn Gaza into a prison", and focus attention on annexation of territory in the West Bank and "make life impossible for the Palestinians."
Posted by James Appleton on 03/01/2009 @ 09:26PM PT
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