Hamas: We Never Expected This

Published January 21, 2009 @ 05:57AM PT

Hamas leader Khaled Meshal is pretty open about his organization being caught by surprise by the intensity of the Israeli assault:

The Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram quoted Hamas' political leader Khaled Meshal on Tuesday as saying his Islamist group was surprised by the force Israel recently used against it in the Gaza Strip.

Hamas also expected more solidarity from the Arab world:

"We had relied on the Arab street," Meshal is quoted as saying. These protests never took place, although there were major demonstrations around the world against Israel for its actions in Gaza.

I wonder if there will be any leadership changes in Hamas over the next few months. Sounds like they are guilty of serious strategic errors.

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That comment surprises me. Frankly, I wonder if we should believe it. I've always thought that the extremists in this conflict (as in most others), namely Hamas and the Israeli Government, were essentially working together or at least playing into each other's hands... i.e. both groups were happy to see escalation of the conflict (like, for example, the US and Al Queda).
Perhaps Meshal is trying to deflect some of the criticism that Hamas is receiving for provoking the Israeli rampage?

Posted by Harry Appelman on 01/21/2009 @ 05:13PM PT
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P.S. I didn't mean to say "The US and AL Queda"... rather, George W. Bush and Al Queda.

Posted by Harry Appelman on 01/21/2009 @ 09:24PM PT
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Hamas is a blip compared to the ISRAELI TERRORIST. Or Should I say the Zionist TERRORIST.

Posted by Layla Judah on 01/21/2009 @ 10:42PM PT
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The truth behind Hamas's use of youths for political gains in the war:

What really is behind the numbers reported on the number of civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip? Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera reported Thursday that a doctor working in Gaza's Shifa Hospital claimed that:

Hamas has intentionally inflated the number of casualties resulting from Israel's Operation Cast Lead."The number of deceased stands at no more than 500 to 600.

Most of them are youths between the ages of 17 to 23 who were recruited to the ranks of Hamas, who sent them to the slaughter," according to the newspaper article....

A Tal al-Hawa resident told the newspaper's reporter, "Armed Hamas men sought out a good position for provoking the Israelis. There were mostly teenagers, aged 16 or 17, and armed. They couldn't do a thing against a tank or a jet. They knew they are much weaker, but they fired at our houses so that they could blame Israel for war crimes."

The reporter for the Italian newspaper also quoted reporters in the Strip who told of Hamas' exaggerated figures, "We have already said to Hamas commanders – why do you insist on inflating the number of victims?"

These same reporters mentioned that the truth that will come out is likely to be similar to what occurred in Operation Defensive Shield in Jenin.

"Then, there was first talk of 1,500 deaths. But then it turned out that there were only 54, 45 of which were armed men," the Palestinian reporters told the Italian newspaper.

Posted by Michael Ross on 01/22/2009 @ 07:59AM PT
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what you say about the Israeli soldiers leaving Gaza is not true adn you know it. The UN CLEALRY states that on the 4th of Nov it was Israel that broke the ceasefire agreement and had not carried out the lifting of the borders as was agreed.

For the last 18months Israel has been cutting electricity,water and food supplies.

The whole world is seeing exactly how the Israeli goverment is "not" committing these crimes, the eveidence by camera and reporters is showing the world exactly what the Israeli gov is doing in Gaza right now and nothing can and will justify it this time.

The WHOLE world is watching the Israeli gov right now and they did not even get the support of America in the UN. The whole world has condemned Israel, even aid agencies like the Red Cross is saying war crimes are being committed, please try to see past the propaganda and open your eyes to the reality and gravity of the situation!

all this hamas talk, this is the propaganda that the Israeli gov have spread and all the people who justify this crime are refusing to open their eyes.

IF you actually were open to learnig you would KNOW as the rest of the world is slowly starting to see, that the Israeli gov is acting the same way the Nazi's treated the Jews.

DO you know that palestinians are tattooed on their hand/wrist - to gain access acros the borders!!?? do you KNOW that?? NO of couirse you don't because all you see is HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS!!

You REFUSE to see WHY HAMAS say the things they say and act the way theyact.

The whole discussion is pointless and arguing with people who jusitfy the israeli gov actins is fruitless because even when given FACTS from independent objective sources like the UN and Red Cross you STILL don't believe it.

keep listening to thr right wing propaganda, but you see, the whole world is slowly waking up and the fact that Israel did not get the support of US in the UN this mornign just shows that everyone is tiring of the torture and inhumanity the Israeli gov is displaying.

i hope to all those that feel 700 innocent lives lost is justifiable i hope you never have to go thro the pain and humiliation that you are saying is ok for the palestinian people to go thro.

i truely hope that you see that this is just history repeating itself but in another continent!

you say hamas - hamas is a blip compared to Isreali gov. you ignore israel gov provokations cos it suits you to.

BUT IGNORE ALL THE FACTS JUST support israel blindly.

Posted by Layla Judah on 01/22/2009 @ 09:59AM PT
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Layla, you are obviously upset, but the problem is Hamas, they are like the TYaliban, an extreme Islamic fundamental group, that do not allow women in schools. Are you sure you want to support them?

Posted by Michael Ross on 01/22/2009 @ 10:11AM PT
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Michael,

Like I said, Hamas is a blip to what Isreal is doing. I'm not condeming the extremist group but this is just an excuse, part of the propaganda. I have no more to say. I'm middle eastern, and nor have I seen education be stopped. Mohammad stated that education is the highest thing a man and woman can hold.

Posted by Layla Judah on 01/25/2009 @ 08:23PM PT
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Saying that Israel broke the ceasefire on Nov. 4th has nothing to do with supporting Hamas.

Even if the goal was to defeat Hamas, why would false information be useful? If it turns out that Hamas lied about the number of casualties (and I'm waiting for something more credible than a single Italian journalist) I will write about it. At the same time, we know that Israel broke the truce in November and chose war instead of renewing it and removing restrictions on trade and travel that were not connected to arms smuggling.

Posted by Charles Lenchner on 01/22/2009 @ 10:29AM PT
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Charles, Israel stated around 1280 dead, I take the Israeli number any day over an Italian journalist, but that is not the issue. The issue is about Hamas using teenagers in their war against Israel.

I disagree with you about who broke the ceasefire. Their was no ceasefire in principal. Israel found 400 tunnels, and homes and schools and mosques full of rockets intended for Israel, so what kind of truce is that?

Hamas is like the Taliban taking control by force of an area, implementing their fundamental Muslim way of life and killing anyone that objects.

With hamas weakend, their is a better chance for peace now.

Posted by Michael Ross on 01/22/2009 @ 11:04AM PT
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Ex-Carter Admin Official: Israel Ignored Hamas Offer Days Before Attacking Gaza; Violated Ceasefire with Attacks, Blockade

Robert Pastor is a senior adviser to the Carter Center and a professor at American University who met with exiled Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal in Damascus on Dec. 14, along with former President Jimmy Carter. Pastor says Meshaal indicated Hamas was willing to go back to the ceasefire if Israel would lift the siege on Gaza. He says he passed along the statement to the Israeli military, but he never heard back. Two weeks later, Israel launched its three-week assault that left more than 1,300 Palestinians, most of them civilians, at least a third children, dead. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/22/ex_carter_admin_official_israel_ignored

Posted by Sharon Tipton on 01/22/2009 @ 02:08PM PT
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PA official today on the gaza war:

"Israel made a "big mistake" by ending Operation Cast Lead without overthrowing the Hamas regime in the Gaza Strip, a Palestinian Authority official in Ramallah said on Thursday".

There's no room for these Hamas thugsi n the West Bank," he said. "We won't allow Hamas to turn the West Bank into another Islamic republic."

These are the Palestinian officials criticizing Israel for not being harsh enough on Hamas in Gaza, it speaks for itself.

Posted by Michael Ross on 01/22/2009 @ 09:37PM PT
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Michael, you are so wrong in your attitude towards the Israelis. Killing hundreds of women and children is a war crime - plain and simple. The Israeli soldiers killed innocent people on purpose in order to terrorize the Palestinian people and to teach them some sort of twisted lesson. Condemnation of Israel rightfully has come from all parts of the world. There is NO justification for what they did to the Palestinian people. Israel very obviously does not want peace - they want genocide....

Posted by James LaGarde on 01/24/2009 @ 06:35AM PT
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James,

If a person throws a child in front of a speeding car, who killed the child the driver of the car or the person throwing the child in front of the speeding car?

James,

In your town if you take care, feed and supply a person with food and water, that is shooting randomly at your neighbours, and the police finally come to arrest that person, what do you think will happen to the people that harbored the murderer?

Posted by David Cohen on 01/24/2009 @ 01:59PM PT
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David,

Using your analogy of the speeding car, what gives that speeding car the right to enter my neighborhood anyway? Maybe that car (the Israelis), should stay the hell home! Maybe that car should stop blocking the highway that allows food, fuel, and medicine into my neighborhood which is pissing me off for good reason!

Hamas generally respected the cease-fire until Israeli commandos entered Gaza in November and asassinated six Hamas leaders. The rockets fired into Israel by Hamas was but a pin prick compared to the deadly and lethal weaponry unleased by Israel.

If a neighbor of mine is being a nuisance by firing a BB gun into my house, I do not have the right to use a bazooka to level his house...

And then back to your analogy....Israel does not come to "arrest" people, they come to kill - and they are quite good at it! Being an ex-Marine, I know full well what white phosphorous can do to a human being. It is a terror weapon and one that Israel chose to use against the citizens of Gaza.

I hope and pray that the world community will charge and try the government of Israel with the war crimes it has committed!!!

Posted by James LaGarde on 01/24/2009 @ 02:24PM PT
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No James you are wrong, not your fault you have been feed misinformation by the biased media.

Hamas is the sole reason for the death of civilians in Gaza, as David so eloquently demonstrated.

If Israel wanted to kill civilians, with the 500,000 troops they have, do you really think only 1,200 would be dead?

Israel has tried hard to avoid civilian casualties, what good does it do Israel, you yourself are proof of how bad it is for Israel to allow civilian deaths.

Posted by Michael Ross on 01/24/2009 @ 02:04PM PT
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Michael & David
I believe the two of you need to resource the source you use. It sounds to me like you guys are fox newsing it up.

Posted by Layla Judah on 01/25/2009 @ 08:54PM PT
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I will try one more time James.

Since you don't like analogies, lets say that your neighbors in Delaware started shooting rockets at your homes in Pocomoke City on a daily basis over several years, and that you tried to talk to them, to warn them, and nothing stopped the rockets that have totally disrupted your lives, you are basically now forced to live in underground shelters.

So as a former Marine what would you, James do?

Posted by David Cohen on 01/24/2009 @ 03:24PM PT
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David,

I never suggested I did not like analogies. As a matter of fact, your first analogy was quite good. In it you tried to depict Hamas patriots hiding behind their wives and children in order to protect themselves from harm. While I doubt that was the case, let's for a moment assume it was true.

From what harm, I may ask? From Israel, of course! Soldiers from a neighboring country has invaded my country and is threatening myself and my family. They have already shown little regard for human life. They kill women, children, old and young men indiscriminately. They destroy their homes, their schools, their churches, and their hospitals without impunity.

Yes, I am frightened. I have no means to fight against tanks, missles, and aircraft, but I do know I will stand and fight to protect my property and my family. I hate you for stopping our electricity, our fuel supplies, our food, and our medicine. For many years you have treated myself and my family like animals.

And so I fight!

Kill us if you must, but be sure to kill all of us. Because as long as one of us remains, you can be sure that he will launch a rocket into your country to avenge the death of his family....

Posted by James LaGarde on 01/24/2009 @ 04:16PM PT
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James, yes I can:
Source: Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Terrorism Deaths in Israel)

1920's - 164
1930's - 181
1940's - 756
1950's - 347
1960's - 169
1970's - 361
1980's - 174
1990's - 348
2000's - 1178

Total of 3,678, the US has 50 times the population than Israel so in US terms that is equal to 183,900 casualties more than the casualties from the Korean and Vietnam wars combined.

Israeli troop casualties in all wars more or less equals proportionately all US casualties including WWII.

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Thank you, Michael - I stand informed...BUT!

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

1,062 Israelis and at least 4,897 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

8,341 Israelis and 33,034 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

These numbers do not include the recent slaughter of Palestinians....

Posted by James LaGarde on 01/24/2009 @ 04:32PM PT
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James, I miss your point here.

You must agree that Israel has suffered massive slaughter of innocents, more than the US in 9/11 proportionally more than the US suffered in both the Korean and Vietnam wars combined.

Their is not one family in Israel that has not suffered, you are welcome to join me on my annual trip to Israel and visit and count the thousands of graves of young women and children, this tragedy dwarfs 9/11 100 times.

So please, stop this insane attack on Israel, Israel is a democracy governed by the rule of law, that puts in jail violators of the law. The Hamas are a band of terrorists with no law but the gun, they have to be stopped, just like the Taliban have to be stopped if we want to avoid another 9/11.

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Michael,

I see little correlation between Israel's losses and that of Korea and Vietnam (a war which the US had no business in). And little if nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks (which was nothing more than a massive false flag attack to enable the Bush administration to illegally attack Afghanistan and Iraq).

If Israel really wanted peace, I have no doubt they could have peace. The UN has passed over 100 resolutions deploring and condemning Israel for their unwarranted aggression against the Palestinian people. And in case you missed it, Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinian people.

At the same time, I have no doubt that there are plenty of bad people involved with Hamas. But they are a desparate people made more desparate recently by the inhuman blockade imposed by the State of Israel. In fact, the Gazans are no better than a 1.5 million person concentration camp created by Israel.

My attacks against the Zionists in Israel is not insane, but humane. And if someone was ever to indiscriminately kill one of my children or my wife - hell has not the fury I will vent on them!

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On another note, everyone knows the Taliban had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks on the US. Sure, they are a bunch of backward thugs that terrorized their own people, but the Taliban did not hijack American airliners. Supposedly elements of Al Quaeda did that (a CIA organization the US created). As a matter of fact, the Taliban offered up Osama bin Laden to the US if the US could present some evidence as to his guilt. The US had no such evidence, but we invaded anyway, killing thousands of innocent people in the process just as we continue to kill more innocent citizens of Afghanistan (and Pakistan) every day. Our country is good at killing innocent people - just like Israel.

Then Bush made up another big lie to invade Iraq, and we killed thousands more innocent people. We're still killing innocent people today. We're also pretty good of falsely imprisoning and torturing innocent people - just like Israel.

So I guess in a way it is only natural that Israel and the US are such great partners. Partners in crime, I might suggest. And if it hadn't been for some of our military brass standing up to Bush, Cheney, and Israel, my guess is that we would have killed and/or been killing thousands of Iranians by now. Under the pretense that someday they may have a nuclear bomb to defend themselves against the hundreds of nuclear bombs currently deployed by Israel.

Being a "democracy" has little to do with what is happening in Israel, Gaza, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Innocent people are dying everyday and we have nothing to show for it except death and misery. There is only one way out of this "eye for an eye" policy and that is peace.

But you gotta want it to make it happen......

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AlAhram egyptian newspaper is supporting Israel so as the dectatorship in Egyptso i can't agree that Meshal said that

Posted by Mohammed Hossam on 01/25/2009 @ 12:55AM PT
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What I've read is the support of Zionism.

Dare you say you support it?

Posted by Layla Judah on 01/25/2009 @ 08:56PM PT
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